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Jared
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

captainalan¾¾ ¾È³çÇϼ¼¿ä. Àú´Â Á¦·¹µå ÀÌÇì¿ä. Àúµµ Çѱ¹¾î °ÏºÎÇì¿ä. ´ç½ÅÀº Çѱ¹ ¹è¿ì±â°¡ Çà¿îÀ» º÷´Ï´Ù!
Maybe there is much we could learn from each other; I also am just beginning. You might try this site as a good reference: Korean Verb Guide
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there!
That link seems very helpful!
°í¸¿½À´Ï¾Æ!
**edit: Thanks koreanlearner, I made a typo

³Ê´Â ´ÑÀÚ ÀԴϱî?
(my attempt at "Are you a ninja?")
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

captainalan wrote:
¾È³çÇϼ¼¿ä!

ÀÌÁµ ¿©¸§ ¹æÇд ÀÖ½À´Ï´Ù!
(Summer vacation is here!)
I didn't make tremendous progress (just learning a few random words here and there) because I was studying for finals Sad

So I got a copy of the textbook "College Korean" and I'm making me way through that book now; I'll also try to do some supplementary reading.

Hmmm... I tried but it was tough... But I think I'll try to translate some Korean song lyrics later because they probably contain many common words.

°í¸¿½À´Ï´Ù for any feedback!


Hey, Captain!

I thought you have gone with the wind!
I am so glad that you are done with the final and finally free for some time.

ÀÌÁµnow ¿©¸§ ¹æÇÐ summer vacation ÀÖ´Ï´Ù is
ÀÖ½À´Ï´Ù have or being present

Yes, reading books is the best way to learn Foreign language at the beginning, especially when self-studying.
After you build up your vocabulary and ability to understand what you read, you be able to say or hear what you have learned.

Keep trying!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jared wrote:
captainalan¾¾ ¾È³çÇϼ¼¿ä. Àú´Â Á¦·¹µå ÀÌÇì¿ä. Àúµµ Çѱ¹¾î °ÏºÎÇì¿ä. ´ç½ÅÀº Çѱ¹ ¹è¿ì±â°¡ Çà¿îÀ» º÷´Ï´Ù!
Maybe there is much we could learn from each other; I also am just beginning. You might try this site as a good reference: Korean Verb Guide


Àú´Â Á¦·¹µå ÀÔ ´Ï ´Ù. Àúµµ me+also Çѱ¹¾î Korean °øºÎÇØ¿ä study. ´ç½ÅÀÌ you Çѱ¹¾î ¹è¿ì´Â µ¥ in learning Çà¿îÀ» luck º÷´Ï´Ù! hope, pray, wish, etc.

Not bad as a beginner.
Helping each other is a great asset humanity has, which not so many animal have.[/u][/b]
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

captainalan wrote:
Hi there!
That link seems very helpful!
¼Ò¸¿½À´Ï¾Æ!°í ¸¿ ½À ´Ï ´Ù
(my attempt at "Are you a ninja?")
Very Happy


³Ê´Â ´ÑÀÚ ÀԴϱî? ´ç½ÅÀº ´ÑÀÚ ÀԴϱî? (being polite) or ³Ê´Â ´ÑÀÚ³Ä? not polite but casual talk between the same age or to younger.

Respect in word or deed is a big thing in Korean tradition.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i seldom use ³ª´Â nowadays because i remember 3 months ago while buying a pants i bumped a korean and started to talk

he immediately told me that dont use ³ª´Â were not acquainted.

hopefully our new members will learn how, when to use ³ª´Â and Àú´Â appropriately.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey, Captain!

I thought you have gone with the wind!


LOL, y2so´Ô Àç¹Ì ÀÖ¾î¿ä.

¾È³çÇϼ¼¿ä. ¸¸³ª¼­ ¹Ý°¡¿ö¿ä. Àü ÇǰïÇØ¼­ ´Ê°Ô ÀϾ¾î¿ä.
Àü ³ªÁß¿¡ tarlac µµ½Ã¿¡ °¡¿ä. ³»ÀÏÀº ¿ì¸® ÇÒ¸Ó´ÏÀÇ 89ȸ »ý½Å³¯ÀÌ¿¡¿ä.

ÁÁÀº ÁÖ¸» º¸³»½Ã±æ ¹Ù·¡¿ä. ´ÙÀ½ ¶Ç ºÁ¿ä. ¾È³çÈ÷°è¼¼¿ä. .

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Àü ·ÐÀ̶ó°í ÇØ¿ä. ¹Ù±â¿À¿¡ »ç´Â Çʸ®ÇÉ»ç¶÷Àä. ¸¸³ª¼­ ¹Ý°¡¿ö¿ä. Àü Çѱ¹¾î ½Ç·ÂÀ» Çâ»ó½Ã۱â À§Çؼ­ °øºÎÇØ¾ß¸¸ ÇØ¿ä. ¿¬½ÀÀ» ÇÏ¸é ¿Ïº®ÇØÁý´Ï´Ù.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

captainalan wrote:
Hi there!
That link seems very helpful!
¼Ò¸¿½À´Ï¾Æ!

³Ê´Â ´ÑÀÚ ÀԴϱî?
(my attempt at "Are you a ninja?")
Very Happy

¿¹, ´ÑÀÚ ÀÔ´Ï´Ù. Àú°¡ »ç¶÷ Àâ´ÂÀ¾´Ï´Ù.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jared wrote:
captainalan wrote:
Hi there!
That link seems very helpful!
¼Ò¸¿½À´Ï¾Æ!

³Ê´Â ´ÑÀÚ ÀԴϱî?
(my attempt at "Are you a ninja?")
Very Happy

¿¹, ´ÑÀÚ ÀÔ´Ï´Ù. Àú°¡ »ç¶÷ Àâ´ÂÀ¾´Ï´Ù.


are you trying to say "thank you"?
¼Ò¸¿½À´Ï¾Æ====>°¨»çÇÕ´Ï´Ù/°í¸¿½À´Ï´Ù/°í¸¶¿ö¿ä
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Àú°¡ »ç¶÷ Àâ´ÂÀ¾´Ï´Ù


¹Ì¾ÈÇØ¿ä, Àú ¹®ÀåÀ» ÀÌÇØÇÏÁö ¾Ê¾Æ¿ä. ¹«½¼ ¸»ÀÌ¿¡¿ä?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Àú°¡ »ç¶÷ Àâ´ÂÀ¾´Ï´Ù


¹Ì¾ÈÇØ¿ä, Àú ¹®ÀåÀ» ÀÌÇØÇÏÁö ¾Ê¾Æ¿ä. ¹«½¼ ¸»ÀÌ¿¡¿ä?

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Àú°¡ »ç¶÷À» Àâ½À´Ï´Ù I kill people.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

y2so wrote:
Àú°¡ »ç¶÷À» Àâ½À´Ï´Ù I kill people.

ÇÚ¸®¾¾, °í¸¿½À´Ï´Ù. ¹®ÀåÀº Áø½ÇÀ» ¾Æ´Õ´Ï´Ù. Àú´Â ³ª»Û ´ÑÀÚ¸¦ ÀÔ´Ï´Ù. Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jared wrote:
y2so wrote:
Àú°¡ »ç¶÷À» Àâ½À´Ï´Ù I kill people.

ÇÚ¸®¾¾, °í¸¿½À´Ï´Ù. Àú´Â ³ª»Û ´ÑÀÚ¸¦ ÀÔ´Ï´Ù. Sad


Àâ½À´Ï´Ù ; Àâ ´Ù can mean catch, hold, arrest, or slaughter, kill.

If you are a policeman, you arrest people, thus, you can say, »ç¶÷À» Àâ½À´Ï´Ù.

If you are ¼± ¹« ´ç, you slaughter instead of healing people, the original intention gone wrong due to the incomplete knowledge or experience;
¼±¹«´çÀÌ »ç¶÷À» Àâ½À´Ï´Ù.


If you are ³ª»Û ´ÑÀÚ, you double-ass-innate people because that is what ³ª»Û ´ÑÀÚ is all about.
Catch a riddle.
However, we don't say, 'catch', but 'search'; search for a riddle, that is what makes our English or your Korean a riddle.
In this case, we say,Âþ ¾Æ ºÁ , not 'Àâ ¾Æ ºÁ'.
You must be a bad ´ÑÀÚ, because you catch words and use them wrong, which surely can slaughter people who can be misled by your wrong choice words.



You are not alone in doing such a ´ÑÀÚ thing.
We all from time to time do slaughter other people, with words chosen wrong or wrong interpretations, called, 'misleading or misunderstanding".


¹®ÀåÀÌ sentence Áø½Ç(ÀÌ) truth ¾Æ´Õ´Ï´Ù not+is, meaning sentence is not true.
Yours or mine?
Or, you do you mean to say, 'I didn't mean that', or, 'just kidding'?

Words mean things.
Yet, meaning is one thing and subjective interpretation is another, really.
You might have said 'A', but others could get 'B' instead.

Translate this.
¸» ÀÌ ¶õ ½¬ ¿î °Ô ¾Æ ´Õ ´Ï ´Ù
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We seem to be derailing Captainalan's message thread; I'll reply back in mine.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

¾È³çÇϼ¼¿ä!
Just dropping by to show the people that were helping me (esp. y2so) that I haven't vanished from the face of learn-korean.net. Razz

Àú´Â ±³°ú¼­À» ÀнÀ´Ï´Ù. Çѱ¹¾î°¡ ¾î·Æ½À´Ï °Å´Ï¿Í Àç¹ÌÀÔ´Ï´Ù.

Perhaps it doesn't matter so much in simple sentences, but what is(are) the primary difference(s) between the subject marker (ÀÌ/°¡) and the topic marker (Àº/´Â)?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

captainalan¾¾, ¾È³çÇϼ¼¿ä? ¿À·£¸¸ÀÌ¿¡¿ä! Àß ÀÖ¾ú¾î¿ä?

As for ´Â and ÀÌ/°¡, ´Â is the topic marking particle and ÀÌ/°¡ are the subject marking particles. Before learning Korean, I didn't really understand the difference between topic and subject either; I'll try to explain.

When talking about how your day, or how things have been for you you use yourself as the topic because you're talking about yourself. The subject may change "My day has been difficult" or "Work is stressful" but you're still talking about yourself. ÀÌ/°¡ are used more to donate what performs an action, while ´Â affects the direction of a conversation more by setting the topic.

I hope this helps a little.

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