Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: 학생 입니다
만나서 반갑습니다. 저는 제레드 입니다. 학생 입니다.
I started learning Korean because of some Korean girls I met in NYC long story hehe. It's very difficult! But ever since that experience I've met more and more Korean people, and I've become very interested in Korean culture and language. I'm planning on taking a vacation to Korea in a year or so, to experience the culture and visit my friend David, and to enjoy the food as well . I'm really looking forward to 김치 and potato pancake!
Anyhow, I find it very hard to remember the things I learn, so maybe I can practice here and learn a lot in the process.
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: 학생 입니다
Jared wrote:
만나서 반갑습니다. 저는 제레드 입니다. 학생 입니다.
I started learning Korean because of some Korean girls I met in NYC long story hehe. It's very difficult! But ever since that experience I've met more and more Korean people, and I've become very interested in Korean culture and language. I'm planning on taking a vacation to Korea in a year or so, to experience the culture and visit my friend David, and to enjoy the food as well . I'm really looking forward to 김치 and potato pancake!
Anyhow, I find it very hard to remember the things I learn, so maybe I can practice here and learn a lot in the process.
안녕!
Hi!
Tell us more about youself, like what kind of 학생, how much you know of the Korean language, a little bit of your life, and stuff like that, so that we the tutors can come up with something in your size, lesson size that is.
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: 학생 입니다
y2so wrote:
Jared wrote:
만나서 반갑습니다. 저는 제레드 입니다. 학생 입니다.
I started learning Korean because of some Korean girls I met in NYC long story hehe. It's very difficult! But ever since that experience I've met more and more Korean people, and I've become very interested in Korean culture and language. I'm planning on taking a vacation to Korea in a year or so, to experience the culture and visit my friend David, and to enjoy the food as well . I'm really looking forward to 김치 and potato pancake!
Anyhow, I find it very hard to remember the things I learn, so maybe I can practice here and learn a lot in the process.
안녕!
Hi!
Tell us more about youself, like what kind of 학생, how much you know of the Korean language, a little bit of your life, and stuff like that, so that we the tutors can come up with something in your size, lesson size that is.
Are you serious about learning Korean?
Well, I'm a college student studying Aerospace Engineering currently. I'm not at school during the summer, but I'm planning on taking Korean classes when I go back in the Fall. So yes, I am serious. Haha you make it sound like I'm being fitted for a suit jacket.
I understand basics: reading/writing, subject endings, colors and relative locations, asking for things, asking what things mean and where things are, asking if a girl has a boyfriend , but haven't gotten into verb conjugation beyond respect level. I have Rosetta Stone, but it makes me mad; I misinterpret the pictures. I guess that's why I'm here.
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: 학생 입니다
Jared wrote:
만나서 반갑습니다. 저는 제레드 입니다. 학생 입니다.
Well, I'm a college student studying Aerospace Engineering currently. I'm not at school during the summer, but I'm planning on taking Korean classes when I go back in the Fall. So yes, I am serious. Haha you make it sound like I'm being fitted for a suit jacket.
I understand basics: reading/writing, subject endings, colors and relative locations, asking for things, asking what things mean and where things are, asking if a girl has a boyfriend , but haven't gotten into verb conjugation beyond respect level. I have Rosetta Stone, but it makes me mad; I misinterpret the pictures. I guess that's why I'm here.
Forget about your Korean girl friends, who can break your heart and leave you as quick as they find someone better, kinder, welthier, hansomer, smater, funnier, more thoughtful than you are.
As for 김 치, it is forever thingy and I highly recommand you to go for it!
Now the serious learning business; learning also is forever, unlike girls, so, let's get solemn about it, leaving the girl talk out.
Here is a part of text I gave to someone who is less serious than you and didn't even bother to read, coment or question.
Please read and start talking about anything in relation to it.
It is a script of a play in Korean.
아버지 : (부엌 쪽을 향해 소리를 버럭 지른다.) 은순아! 그래도 못나오겠니?
어머니 : (일을 계 속하며) 글쎄 그만 해 두시라니까요. 이제 저도 말귀를 알아들을 수 있는 나인데‥‥‥.
아버지 : (어머니에게) 알아들을 나인데 왜 통발에서 미꾸라지 빠져 나가듯 하는가 말이오!
어머니 : 점례랑 끝순이가 (names) 한사코 나가자니까 한 번 따라가 본 거래요. 그러니 그만‥‥‥.
아버지 : (핏대를 올리며) 임자가 그런 식으로 두둔을 하니까 점점 못되어 간단 말이오.
어머니 : (쓴웃음을 지으며) 원, 영감도‥‥‥. 제가 언제 두둔을 해요? 다만 동네 아이들이 읍내에 야학이 섰다고 가 보자고 하니까 구경삼아 나갔다는데, 그게 잘못인가요?
아버지 : 그럼 상받을 짓인가, 응? 열네 살이면 어린애가 아니란 말이오. 어디를 함부로 나다녀요, 나다니긴. 그것도 밤마을을‥‥‥.
어머니 : (긴 한숨을 쉬며) 따지고 보면 은순이만 탓할 건 못 되지요.
아버지 : 뭐라고?
어머니 : 남의 집 아이들처럼 잘 입히고 잘 먹이지 못한데다가 학교도 고작 초등학교 밖에 못 보냈으니‥‥‥.
아버지 : 그거면 됐지, 뭐가 모자란단 말이오? 여자가 초등학교나 마쳤으면감지덕지지, 또 뭐가 필 요해?
어머니 : 그래도 대세는 못 막아요. 웬만한 집 아이들은 읍내 중학교, 고등학교까지 마쳐요.
아버지 : 흥! 여자가 밖으로 나돌아다니면 되바라져서 못써요. 게다가 그런 돈이 어디 있어? 그런 돈 있으면 비료 사서 농사짓는 데 쓰는게 훨씬 이 익이지.
어머니 : 농사야 이제 은철이 돌아오면 거들어 줄게 아뇨?
아버지 : 흥! 은철이 돌아오기 기다리다간 없는 손 자환 갑 지나겠어! 그 녀석도 아비 말대로 집에서 농사나 지으면서 살일이지, 돈벌이 나가고는 종무소식이니‥‥‥. (한숨을 쉬며) 자식도 못 믿어요, 못 믿어.
어머니 : 그래도 우리 아이들은 쓸모가 있을 테니 두고 보세요.
(자리에서 일어선다.)
아버지 : 쓸 모? 흥! 우리도 자식 덕 보기는 다 틀렸어! 저렇게젊은 놈들이 한사코 밖으로만 뛰쳐나가려 하니‥‥‥. 이건 소나 말처럼 외양간에다가 매어 둘 수도 없고, 어떻게 한다지? (다시 화가 치밀어오르는 듯 부엌을 향해) 은순아, 냉큼 나오지 못해?
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Wow, this is very difficult for me; I don't know many of the words they're using. It's a conversation between the father and the mother, and the first line is the father asking about something the wife is going to do, I believe. Also, since they're husband and wife, shouldn't they be using the intimate politeness level?
I'm not on my computer, and this keyboard won't let me type in Korean to translate and break things down, so I'll take a deeper look into it in a few hours at my computer.
Wow, this is very difficult for me; I don't know many of the words they're using. It's a conversation between the father and the mother, and the first line is the father asking about something the wife is going to do, I believe. Also, since they're husband and wife, shouldn't they be using the intimate politeness level?
I'm not on my computer, and this keyboard won't let me type in Korean to translate and break things down, so I'll take a deeper look into it in a few hours at my computer.
Sorry to give you a difficult one but once you figure out who do what, the very basic elements of a sentence, you can get it over easily.
The words that you don't know are the words you need to look them up in the dictionary anyway, in order to have them stored in your memory bank as your assets of knowledge.
The story is about a famer father who is angry at his daughter, 은 순, who did something against the expectation of her father, and her mother who is sided with her daughter.
I believe that the best way to builder up your vocaburary is from reading books with interesting stories, which you will not forget easily.
Okay, I've been working on this for a while, and it is still very very difficult for me. I have many questions:
When the father says 임자가 does it literally mean "owner" or is it like a responsible person?
두둔을 keeps showing up and I can't find a translation; what does it mean?
What does the verb ending 니까 mean?
I'm going to buy a Korean/English dictionary tomorrow; I'll try to learn some vocabulary in the meantime and then come back and work on this some more tomorrow when I'm better prepared. Thanks y2so.
Okay, I've been working on this for a while, and it is still very very difficult for me. I have many questions:
When the father says 임자가 does it literally mean "owner" or is it like a responsible person?
두둔을 keeps showing up and I can't find a translation; what does it mean?
What does the verb ending 니까 mean?
I'm going to buy a Korean/English dictionary tomorrow; I'll try to learn some vocabulary in the meantime and then come back and work on this some more tomorrow when I'm better prepared. Thanks y2so.
Sounds like you are getting a serious look at the Korean 101, to do the first one, oh one, the very basic, right.
The dictionary is an important part of 101, and Learning Korean without it is like goig to war without a weapon.
With it and the basic knowledge of grammar, you can self-study the basic and up by reading books.
Without self-studying, you can't have 'Q', and 'A', which are the best tool in learning things.
You should know better as a college boy.
What about the Korean alphabets and sounds?
Have you done that?
If you haven't, again, you must start from the very beginning- kindergarten stuff.
The text I gave you is taken from the textbook of middle school, thinking you have done away with 101 stuff.
Anyway, just to show off (?) my fluent Korean, let me tackle the first lesson thrown at you to see how you go about that.
임자가 그런 식으로 두둔을 하니까 (verb) 점점 못되어 간단 말이오(verb).
Since there are two verbs in a sentence, 'one verb-group' (which is my invention to mean 'clause') is main and the other is surbodinate.
In Korean, the verb comes last in a sentence, having all kind of different suffixes adding tense, mood, degree, limit, reason, or even questioning.
임자가(S) 그런 식으로(Adv) 두둔을(O) 하니까 (V)
점점(Adv) 못되어(Adv) 간단 말이오(V) *Subject is missing here and you gotta guess your best.
How simple is that?!
임자 means you 당 신, old Korean and obsolete, which only husband can use for his wife. Skip this word.
하니까 ; 까 is a suffix that adds the meaning of 'because' to the verb 하 니.
Basically it means 'because you do'
감사합니다. This is actually a lot of help to me. I still haven't been to the book store today to get my dictionary, but I'll go soon.
You're right, I am starting from the very basics. I have a little notebook full of words and phrases that I've "learned" but I don't remember them very well. I've been through the alphabet (한국, 네?) and 간단한 것들가 이해합니다.
So I can make small sentences like that, or maybe 달리기 싫어요.
The explanation helps; It's not too bad figuring out which is the subject, and verb, but I'm still unfamiliar with adverbs and adjectives. I'll try it out on the first few lines...
아버지 :은순아! (Daughter!) 그래도(Adv) 못나오겠니(V)?
-그래 means "is that right" with 도 meaning 'also' ??
어머니 : 글쎄 그만 해 두시라니까요(V). 이제(Adj) 저도(I also) 말귀를 알아들을(O) 수 있는 나인데(V)‥‥‥.
아버지 : 알아들을(O) 나인데 왜(why) 통발에서 미꾸라지 빠져 나가듯(O) 하는가(S) 말이오(V)!
아버지 :은순아! (Daughter!) 그래도(Adv) 못나오겠니(V)?
-그래 means "is that right" with 도 meaning 'also' ??
어머니 : 글쎄 그만 해 두시라니까요(V). 이제(Adj) 저도글쎄 그만 해 두시라니까요(V).(I also) 말귀를 알아들을(O) 수 있는 나인데(V)‥‥‥.
아버지 : 알아들을(O) 나인데 왜(why) 통발에서 미꾸라지 빠져 나가듯(O) 하는가(S) 말이오(V)!
은순 is the daughter's name
아 is a suffix being attached to a name that is being called.
There are a few such suffix, like 이, 야, or 님, being used respectively in different word ending and situation.
If the last syllable of a name ended with consonent, ㄴ as in 은순, 아 is used.
If ending with vowl, it takes 야, as in 운 수 야
If you must or wish to show respect, it is 님, like 어 머 님, 아 버 님.
그래도 is one word meaning 'despite of' or even if, modifying the verb 못나오겠니
못 along with 겠 add 'wills not' to the finite verb 나오다, which means 'come out'.
글쎄 works like well, there, good grief.
그만해 stop 두시라니까요(V). doing.
Well, stop doing that.
말귀를(O, word meaning) 알아들을(V, understand) 수 있는 able, and all together adverbial clause modfying 나인데 verb, age+is
She is at an able age to understand what you are saying.
알아들을; able to understand
나인데 age
왜(why) 통발에서 미꾸라지 빠져 나가듯as if a small fish slip through a trap
감사합니다. I'll have to memorize all this vocabulary. The grammar isn't too difficult; I'm remembering the lessons on positive/negative conjugation and past/future that I read a week or so ago. Thanks for explaining all this to me.
I went to the bookstore and got my dictionary as well as a workbook to help me get through the basics thoroughly. I made it through about 1/4 of the book so far tonight, no problem. This is a bit one-sided though; I don't even know who I'm learning Korean from. y2so씨는, 이름이 무엇입니까? 어디에서 왔습니까? 한국 사람이 있습니까?
감사합니다. I'll have to memorize all this vocabulary. The grammar isn't too difficult; I'm remembering the lessons on positive/negative conjugation and past/future that I read a week or so ago. Thanks for explaining all this to me.
I went to the bookstore and got my dictionary as well as a workbook to help me get through the basics thoroughly. I made it through about 1/4 of the book so far tonight, no problem. This is a bit one-sided though; I don't even know who I'm learning Korean from. y2so씨는, 이름이 무엇입니까? 어디에서 왔습니까? 한국 사람이 있습니까?
Very good, and now we can cook real meal, not stone soup.
My name is Henry, Korean born, living in NYC.
I am using IE to browse because I got terrible pop-up attecks at this site.
IE blocks good but my IME2002 is not working with IE.
I am afread to use Fire Fox because Fire fox doesn't do much to block them, or maybe is being outsmarted by them.
I gotta see what is up with IE.
I can't even use copy or paste command.
Only after fixing this problen I can correct your Korean.
Hope to do that soon.
Very good, and now we can cook real meal, not stone soup.
My name is Henry, Korean born, living in NYC.
I am using IE to browse because I got terrible pop-up attecks at this site.
IE blocks good but my IME2002 is not working with IE.
I am afread to use Fire Fox because Fire fox doesn't do much to block them, or maybe is being outsmarted by them.
I gotta see what is up with IE.
I can't even use copy or paste command.
Only after fixing this problen I can correct your Korean.
Hope to do that soon.
I haven't gotten any popups at this site. I'd recommend Firefox though, I've been using it for years and have no popup problems. If you're skeptical though, here's the Firefox popup support link: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Pop-up+blocker
Nice to meet you Henry. 만나서 반갑습니다. Thanks for your help also; I'll try to post up the things I've gone through in my lesson book tomorrow. Good luck fixin Internet Explorer in the meantime. 행운을 빕니다.
조만간 봅시다.
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long story hehe. It's very difficult! But ever since that experience I've met more and more Korean people, and I've become very interested in Korean culture and language. I'm planning on taking a vacation to Korea in a year or so, to experience the culture and visit my friend David, and to enjoy the food as well 
. I'm really looking forward to 김치 and potato pancake!
, but haven't gotten into verb conjugation beyond respect level. I have Rosetta Stone, but it makes me mad; I misinterpret the pictures. I guess that's why I'm here.